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Technical support / Re:New Custom Function window items
« on: October 16, 2009, 07:00:24 AM »
Thanks for the quick reply. I haven't had the opportunity to check out the other functions of the window, that sounds useful. Just seemed out of place that I got the upgrade message when was there already. :)

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Technical support / New Custom Function window items
« on: October 15, 2009, 12:27:36 PM »
the new custom function control window is great. How do I turn off the bottom window critical updates? This is the current version.

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Technical support / Re:PC LCD MONITOR Text SIZES
« on: October 15, 2009, 12:20:49 PM »
One other item, just appeared. With the fontIncrement   to anything other than 1, tried 2 to 5, the online monitoring relay column has the issues of the earlier version with blacked out, top line only with set to 1, to whole column garbled with set to 3 or more.

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Technical support / Re:PC LCD MONITOR Text SIZES
« on: October 15, 2009, 12:03:08 PM »
OK, we are getting closer  :) Downloaded and installed TRiLOGI Version 6.24 build 03, and Java product 1.6.0_16 With the wide monitor running at 1920 x 1080 resolution here are comments:
1:  The sidebar on the custom function window is a very nice addition. That goes with the wide screen nicely.

2: The Java Control Panel is small size font also. Seems like Sun has issues also.

3: The web pages (http://www.tri-plc.com/home.htm) in IE 6, text sizes and window do not change size with VIEW > TEXT SIZE. In Firefox 3.0.14, the text sizes do change size, but the window size does not. Would like to see larger text and corresponding window.

4: I have the Windows (XP PRO) start bar on left side always visible. In Trilogi, when first opening, and all windows (custom function, ladder comment), they are all at the left edge of the screen, hidden under the start bar. The maximized window is correct width.

5: The Tserver opens with very small size text, but since this is not used frequently, that is not an issue, but would be nice to have good sized text.

6: Trilogi window text, except the top Title bar is also very small. Changing fontIncrement   to 3 makes Ladder labels and contents of comment editing, and custom function windows fonts a little bigger, which is adequate, but the contact and coil numbers remain small. The comments on the ladder are truncated when they reach the end of the green background. Settled on a setting of 5, which is about the limit of vertical line spacing without overlap. But the line length is an issue. Would like to be able to stick to a standard printer line length of just under 80 characters to minimize paper length/pages printed and displayed.

Hope this helps with improving the situation. Ideally, the software should check the windows resolution setting and automatically make adjustments. Some of our applications may not see any use for some years if all runs well. Then if a change is needed, would hope Trilogi could be loaded and the changes accomplished with a minimum of setup issues. :)

Thanks again.

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Technical support / Re:PC LCD MONITOR Text SIZES
« on: October 14, 2009, 05:15:07 AM »
This is a 23" HP w2338h monitor with a native resolution of 1920 x 1080. HP recommends using this resolution. Many other manufacturers of this size/resolution are available. As an extreme for some years presentations using a projector, was common. This is not an extreme by today's standards. The video card is an ATI HD 2400, and use similar resolutions when using HDMI cable to TV set. ATI drivers are current within a month. The operating system is WINXP PRO SP2, updated a week ago. All this is on a Intel DP965LT motherboard. I don't think any of this is an unusual setup.

I was going to get Trilogi running on a computer with WINME to see what happens, but haven't had time to get to that, maybe later today. Was thinking of downgrading the resolution to 1024 x768 that I previously used, but will have to check with HP first. I have seen where another user is using a Nvidia card with no problems. All this is beyond my getting into the machine code of drivers, etc.

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Technical support / Re:PC LCD MONITOR Text SIZES
« on: October 13, 2009, 04:02:45 PM »
Took a little different approach to the issue, Googled for "java font sizes high resolution". One of the links seemed to indicate that there are some rather basic Java programming items that would help. I'm not familiar with Java, so it may be questionable at best.
http://www.3rd-evolution.de/tkrammer/docs/java_font_size.html

Again, with the popularity of these high resolution monitors, I'm amazed that this is such an issue, and doesn't appear anyone including Microsoft and Sun have addressed the problem.

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Technical support / Re:PC LCD MONITOR Text SIZES
« on: October 13, 2009, 12:56:48 PM »
Thanks for the reply

I already have had the XP Display Properties > Settings > Advanced > Display dpi set to 120.
Both the Trilogi and Server window (including custom function) font sizes are near 6 or 7 point if on paper. Per above message, I set fontIncrement   10 in the file C:\TRiLOGI\TL6\en_language.txt. Then the Trilogi fonts are good sized at 12- 14 if on paper, but the vertical line spacing is not adjusted, and there are overlaps on the ladder diagram. The custom functions are OK. If you send a private message to me via profiles, I'll attach back a JPG screen shot showing the issue.

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Technical support / Re:PC LCD MONITOR Text SIZES
« on: October 13, 2009, 05:44:25 AM »
I was hoping not to be so much to the point, but: The current generation of LCD monitors want to be operated at high resolutions, this one, which is more the normal is 1920 x 1080. Trilogi, and the server become basically unusable at these resolutions. I would be just as happy at the 1024 x 768 of my previous CRT monitor, but that's not was is recommended by the manufacturers. I'm sure, I'm not the only to have the issue, and is probably fairly wide spread. Can the necessary adjustments be made to the software to solve the issue. It would be nice if the software could look at Windows resolution setting and make the necessary settings automatically. It is not unusual to temporarily install Trilogi on a client's computer to make some field changes, and who knows how that machine is setup.

This computer is using WinXP PRO SP2

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Technical support / Re:PC LCD MONITOR Text SIZES
« on: October 08, 2009, 06:20:16 AM »
Thanks for the reply, we are getting a little closer. My font_increment was "0" (never changed before) , changed it to "10", maybe can go as small as "8". The 23" screen resolution is 1920 x 1080. XP PRO in itself was difficult to get most text and other items sized properly. One text size item was buried in Internet Explorer! LCD transition with Kubuntu was a little easier, but seems like, as popular as these screens are now days, the software side hasn't followed. Several items though:

1: The vertical line spacing doesn't adjust for the character size, and at the coil end of a rung, the cust function name, other coils, get overlapped vertically.

2: Comment rungs also nearly overlap vertically, and line lengths don't wrap properly and run off the end of the window.

3: The top menu and circuit bar's text size is small, and didn't follow other window's setting or the font_increment setting. This includes the size of the circuit components (coils and contacts) icons on the rungs.

4: Since I have a wide screen, found it was convenient to not hide it automatically and leave it up. The custom function window's left edge goes to the screen left edge under the start bar.

I haven't upgrade to the current version, was waiting on next week. If you think, upgrading at this time, I could, and report back. :)

Is there a way to attach a JPG to messages here? I could attach a screen shot of these items.

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Technical support / Re:PC LCD MONITOR Text SIZES
« on: October 07, 2009, 10:27:23 AM »
Thanks on the window sizes, how can I increase the text font sizes of both Custom Function and ladder logic screens?

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Technical support / PC LCD MONITOR Text SIZES
« on: October 06, 2009, 01:12:15 PM »
Just got a 23" LCD monitor 16:9 screen for the PC, and several size issues:
1: The TRILOGI (V 6.13) screen size is less than half the width of the monitor. How can I make it full width, and yes that will mean scrolling more?
2: How can I adjust the text size of both the Trilogi window, and custom functions?

3: Not related to above, but is there a way to open custom function windows to a larger size by default? Everytime I start Trilogi, and open a custom function, I need to drag the window corner to a bigger size.

Thanking in advance. :)

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Technical support / Re:Line continuation
« on: September 29, 2009, 08:29:40 AM »
Thanks for the quick reply. I think the problem is solved. I broke the long "IF" into numerous nested "IF". Each one had a SETLCD to print a character in an unused area of the LCD, followed by a pause. Then I one at a time commented out the pauses aft the PLC paused at that one. The issue was with how I had been checking the time including first minute and 30 seconds. Now I only check the minute >= 1, and if the "Exercise" relay had been set.

A side benefit of the nested "IF" is now I can comment on each "IF", which I couldn't do before, only at the beginning.

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Technical support / Line continuation
« on: September 28, 2009, 06:41:12 AM »
Several years ago, I questioned the correct way to continue a Trilogi "IF" line, and thought the correct way, was to start the new line with a boolean (AND, OR, etc.). I prefer keeping the lines to length so they print nicely. The statements below, don't execute inside the "IF" to "SETIO EXERCISE".

If the web page messed the line lengths, The first 2 ?? lines are really on the first line. The line starting AND (DM[3984], and the following line are the 2nd line. The remaining 4 lines are as shown, individual lines.
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IF ((DATE[3] > (7 * (DM[3975] - 1))) AND (DATE[3] < ((7 * DM[3975]) + 1)) AND (DATE[4] = DM[3976])
AND (DM[3984] = DM[3977]) AND (TIME[2] < 1) AND (TIME[3] <= 30))
   'Turn the generator on
   SETIO EXERCISE
   TIMERPV[9] = 6000
ENDIF
========================
This is in a Cusfn with a 1.0 second special bit. I have numerous times checked the values being compared, pairing of "()", where everything is true, but the SETIO doesn't happen. Also have looked for something being reset elsewhere in the code.

Any thoughts, appreciated. :)

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Technical support / Re:Volume calculation Integer to Dec?
« on: May 20, 2009, 12:31:22 PM »
To put in a little different words. One needs to calculate and store all numbers as whole integers, including the early arithmetic operation results (division in the middle of the equation) as multiples of some constant like 10, 100, etc. over the full range of expected values. Then when displaying, divide by the constant. When used in formulas, and boolean, one needs to remember that the number stored is multiplied by some constant.  Here are some copy/paste from my code:

 Note the value of "G" the fuel level is multiplied by 10.

IF (TESTIO(GAS_PUMP) = 0) and (G <= 106) and (TESTIO(HIGH_LIMT) = 1)
   SETIO GAS_PUMP
ENDIF

--I really want to turn on the pump when "G" is less than 10.6
--and when displaying the value of "G" to 1/10 gallon, the code looks like:

SETLCD 2,1, "GASOLINE " + STR$(G/10,2) + "." + STR$(G MOD 10,1) +" GALLON"

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Technical support / Time for one pass through ladder
« on: January 07, 2009, 06:35:23 PM »
What is the method for determining the time it takes for one pass through the ladder. I remember seeing this on the forum probably 2 years ago, but my search couldn't find it. I think it was to activate a timer at the bottom of the ladder, then next pass read it at the same point in the ladder, saving the value as in a DM[] which gets incremented each pass.

PS: like the old format to the forum :)

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